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Season 3
Apparently there are three unaired scenes hidden on the DVDs:
One with Alonzo Quinn, then the other with Fusco from 3x09 and one with Finch probably from 3x21.
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I'm sure you guys are on top of this but I just wanted to point out that there isn't a "Main Plot Points" topic on the Season 3 page. Since the page is locked maybe you guys could add it.
Ok, so I've seen many different view points all over the season 3 threads about Samaritan, from how it works to how it labels people. So, let's consolidate shall we?
I say we post our own interpretations of how we understand Samaritan right here and now for all to see, what we know of it and how Claypool said he designed it based off of the government's criteria. You can edit as you see fit in case you forgot something and all that down the road; I just think it would be nice to lay out everything we know or believe, each of us (or at least say we agree with someone else though I know there will probably be tiny differentiating details, but hey, the devil('s share) is in the details). This way others might see and come to new conclusions if someone else remembers (*cough* Claire *cough*) something others do not or just sees it in a different light, or vice versa. I'll begin with mine of course, and I hope you all take notice and post a view of your own if it differs because I myself am still developing my understanding of Samaritan (as are we all I know) and I want to see what you all think, especially what you think differently.
From the start I viewed Samaritan as a needs to be directed type of system, like a giant search feature with the ability to suggest recommended searches (relevant numbers). I know this seems like a stupid conclusion, but in my defense, Greer didn't turn on the higher functions until the finale.
To me, it's these higher AI functions that make Samaritan truly dangerous. Because it hasn't had any training, it's going based off of the code. Granted it'll probably learn quickly, but it still won't have had the training Harold gave to The Machine. I think Harold gave our Machine the best lesson something like that could learn, understanding (as Claire has put it in another thread; see this is why we need this. At first I would have said the value of human life, but that comes as a byproduct of understanding. Thank you, Claire! I understand now 8D). It'll understand the world the way it learns it, which I'm about to touch on. This gives me the impression that Samaritan doesn't care about anyone the way our Machine does. That's pretty obvious, I know, but just think... our Machine would be a killing machine if it didn't care. That's exactly what Samaritan will become, and all because its higher AI functions will not understand what it's seeing. With Greer's commands to command him, it's like giving a child the keys to a jet: stupid and irresponsible.
It fun to think that our Machine was probably an open system just like Samaritan when Harold was teaching it, which leads me to the fact that Greer will be Samaritan's Harold. This goes to further what I was just talking about. Samaritan's values down the road will become worse and worse as Greer won't care to teach it to understand the value of life, but rather the value of order, which, if now bounds are put in place, it will do anything to attain. Claypool's morals will probably keep it from just destroying mankind, but it will still have to power to harm it greatly.
So in all, now what do I think of Samaritan? I think it is basically no longer an open system, and is now an autonomous killing machine that has no value for life, other than that it was probably programmed to give targets that would cause mass casualty events. Even that directive can be tainted by misunderstanding (see Claire's post in season finale thread about conflicts of interest between both machines when it might come to the same number) as is what happened to Collier's brother.
So that's it! I look forward to reading all of your comments and views, even if they aren't as lengthy and as drawn out as mine. All hail the bloated writing fluff! (next week we'll discuss the topic of: TJ's reviews vs. My expositions - a lengthy debate! [pun intended, totally joking and parenthesis within parenthesis])
Of all the continuity hooks and speculation bait season 3 left for us, only one hook could, metaphorically, catch me:
“ | Calculating response... | ” |
I'm curious as to Samaritan's response. Does it have a goal it was programmed to achieve? What kind of parameters does it ascribe to? Will it deem everyone irrelevent (or deviant) as Finch predicted?
What do you guys think?
Season Finale. Another season draws to a close, and what a finale it will be. They say God is in the Machine -- metaphorically, literally or both?
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Peter Collier is contacted by an unnamed source who begins to give him answers on the machine. Is this perhaps Alicia Corwin who Root killed at the end of season 1? She knew about the machine and wanted to destroy it - she could have founded Vigilance with Collier, with him taking over after her death.
Why didn't the Machine switch off after Control gave the order? We know that the relevant numbers were redirected to Root, but the irrelevant ones continue to come after that, and the Machine was still running. I don't understand why it remained in function. Did she learn to protect herself from the attempts of the Government too when she found the way to avoid the threat of the Decima virus in S02?
Abraham Lincoln once said, "A house divided against itself cannot stand." But what does that mean for our team, with Reese in charge, and Finch in the hands of Decima?
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Alright, so we've all seen a pretty nice glimpse of what Samaritan's view point looks like. Different from our Machine's, yes, but there are some similarities I know. If you haven't seen what it looks like to see through Samaritan's eyes then go... be gone, my child, and watch what you know you should! Trust me, I will know...
So, which do you think is better: The Machine's graphics or Samaritan's? I know you want to say The Machine's right off the bat (and I know others who might be contrarians are now ready to oppose the inner fan urge to say Samaritan), but think deeply. Either answer is your own, but why do you think what you think, what is your reasoning? Simply more appealing is an adequate answer, sure, but come on.
I'll go first (obviously). Let me start with Samaritan. I actually think the graphics on Samaritan, though it is just a machine in its infancy, are more polished than our Machine. I think they flow better, but... it's missing some important things.
Flat out, I think our Machine is better, by far. It has it all, designations, analysis, connecting threads, and multiple calculations all going on at the same time. I love how our Machine makes up the landscape not simply from maps, but from camera shots. Did you ever notice that when The Machine zooms in the outline and interior of the US (as well as buildings sometimes) is actually a conglomerate of camera shots for each location? I love that. With Samaritan, it just seems like a map from iMaps or something that it can make pins on. Yet another thing I love about our Machine is its multitasking ability. Samaritan gave me the impression of a single entity that can only do one thing at a time. Our Machine is much more advanced. Even Nolan liked to describe it as a collection of tiny machines all doing different things. Of course that's just a description though as it is one Machine that can just do it all via the way it was programmed to function. Finally, our machine is smart, period. It thinks for itself and acts appropriately. Samaritan does not think for itself... yet. These are a few of my biggest reasons I choose our Machine.
Now, before you go crazy with some of my own points, yes, I know Samaritan's higher cognitive functions are apparently turned off, but, I think we have a pretty good glimpse of what it would look like. Anyways, thoughts, opinions, answers, please?
Here come the final three. Who will fall, and who will survive? Only time will tell...
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We're on final approach. Keep calm, and enjoy the episode! New episode this week, rerun next week, then the final three. Hang on tight!
Tonight, we contemplate when one might have to be sacrificed to benefit the many. Or do we?
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What do you all think would happen? I have a few ideas of my own, but I just go over the basics. What do you all think would be affected? Here's my first thoughts (feel free to add to them or completely contradict them!):
I think the internet infrastructure would be shaken to the core, meaning that public internet usage would be shut down nearly everywhere. Could you imagine if there was a mass internet outage? Nearly everything and everybody today uses the internet for something! Not just stopping there, those systems connected to the internet would also be affected, so that goes on into power outages in entire regions of the globe, system failures causing huge casualties even! If Samaritan knew that The Machine was hiding out at a nuclear power plant before, what if it decides to hack into the nuclear facilities around the world and shut them down, or worse, blow them up in order to find our Machine?! That's probably a little bold for a TV show, but it could happen. We've seen before what happens when internet is lost or power goes out, there would be mass chaos everywhere, mass casualty events, just like our Machine predicted!
As for our team, you know that each machine would send certain resources to take out the other. I imagine that Root, her hacker army, and Shaw would hang back and protect our Machine, while Finch and Reese tried to take on Decima and Samaritan! The battle would be epic!
Here we go! The final half a dozen episodes are ready to roll out.
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I know LG told me to wait until 7 PM to post this if she hasn't already, but it's already 5 on Pacific Time and LG usually comes on by the afternoon latest - I didn't want to delay it too much so I decided I'd do it just this time. LG, you can actually make a new thread if you come on before 7, though.
Well, this looks fun! Decima's storyline is getting very interesting so I wonder where this episode will go with any story. Tony Camerino wrote "In Extremis", one of my favorite episodes, and even though it was with Greg Plageman, I trust that TC has good writing skills nonetheless.
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Looks like we're in for a Root adventure tonight. And what is she up to? We shall see!
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I saw several edits were made, removed, added again and just to be removed again by an IP user regarding latest appearances by recurring characters in RAM (Stanton, Greer, Control, Special Counsel) & before it turns into an edit war of some sort, can we perhaps clarify what's correct?
I prefer the actual episode with maybe a side note that the character only appeared in the flashback arc (unlike Daniel Casey who appeared in the current timeline as well).
This episode looks hugely important in plot development judging from the unbelievable press release. It's good to see POI rise back up from the standalones. I'm guessing that the discussion is going to explode. CsPPP theories, commence!
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We're back! And aren't we ready for some new episodes? Harold in a call center should be good!
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