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Samaritan Operations and History.

  • Good Day! I just want to petition how Samaritan works just like in The Machine. Also  a brief background on Samaritan History as well.

    Hoping to see a clash of these 2 A.I System in the future episodes of POI.

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    • If by "petition" you mean you would like to see the information presented in the same way, we can only work with what we've seen so far -- and we only have a few details that are explained during "Lethe".

      We'll be improving the article constantly as soon as Samaritan is more detailed, and yes, a clash is highly anticipated to me as well.

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    • My speculation from the last scene of Lethe is that Samaritan was built but partially dismanteled. Control mentions "the drives" which leads me to believe that these contain the operating system or database that the machine needs in order to function. The leaked photo of the next episode shows Finch in what appears to be a very old vault, and I would guess that's where Arthur hid the drives all those years ago. 

      Why the two machines would "clash" continues to escape me. Wouldn't they just operate on their own without the need for conflict? I can't say, but I also can't wait to see more when the show resumes.

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    • But we do see how Finch's machine is aware of all other technologies and how it's fully aware of Samaritan's existence and current status.

      It's true, maybe they don't have the need to clash, we have yet to see how our marvellous machine will act.

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    • I think the thoughst being expressed about a "clashing of the Machines" could be tied to the possibility of Root's whole "something worse is coming" mantra. What if Control gets hold of Samaritan to use it for its own preferences? This could create a whole situation where one machine that is slightly independent (Finch's) and another machine that is being abused (Samaritan) are rattling out numbers that lead to constant conflict between "Team Finch" and "Team Control".

      Or, what if Root decides she'll destroy Control and take Samaritan for herself?

      I personally can picture this storyline running through next year with another near-midseason mega story arc that involves Vengeance in some kind of confrontation with Control, with Team Finch as the agents of containment. Just a thought.

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    • I'm trying to decide what clues there are in the name Samaritan.  Those names are rarely by accident, and that's an odd one to choose arbitrarily, given the showy names (Northern Lights) or acronyms the show has used otherwise.  I'm convinced it has meaning.

      I'm not sure they're going to get particularly esoteric, although they certainly could if they were to get into whole notion of Samaritanism being the ancient (and true, in some views) religion of the Israelities, and the historic tension between the Samaritans and Judeans.  Rather, I think we'll see something more playing on the better known parable of the Samaritan as the helper of those injured or in danger when others refuse.  There's a nice metaphor in there somewhere.  

      The other question is whether we read anything into Saul Rubenik being Jewish, or whether that's a coincidence of casting.  And do we imagine he's going to evolve into another recurring character if he survives this story?

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    • I think the term Samaritan means just what it is. For a start, it is singular, which lends itself moreover to the parable interpretation from the Bible. This also basically, well, just fits. It's the perfect analogy for what it would do. It sees people in trouble and then comes to their aid via preemptive tactics. It does what the Samaritan did in the story: help those in need despite their affiliations or who they were. In this case the Samaritan would be lending a hand to the US of A as a whole. (interesting that Rubenik is Jewish. I didn't know that)

      I think the biggest question that I have seen go under the radar so far or undetected is the fact that Samaritan has flaws as mentions by Claypool. This really makes me wonder about the integrity of such a machine. It took Harold a long time to perfect his design, and that was with the gov's blessing. Just how vulnerable would Samaritan be if the plug was yanked early and it didn't get the high dollar treatment that our machine did (constant access to NSA feeds, extreme secrecy precautions... etc.)?

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    • LG's comments about the name of the machine got me thinking. I read the book "Gideon's Spies" ( a behind the scenes look at the Isrealie intelligence apparatus) a few years ago and there is an entire chapter devoted to the very first "Machine" called Promis developed by a former NSA engineer in the late 80's and deployed around the early 90's with dramatic effect. It was an amazing piece of software, stolen by the Mossad, who inserted a "back door" chip that enabled them to monitor anyone using the software and access their systems without their knowledge. A large number of countries used the software and it was even sold by the Russians to Osama bin Laden.

      I've been contemplating creating a page devoted to the program. One of these days... 

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    • RE:  "clashing of the Machines"

      The Machine has so far proved to operate in the interest of humanity. If a strong A.I. were to emerge and not be quite so plesent (for instance decide humans are kind of annoying and in the way) then the only thing that could stop it would be another A.I.

      I imagine The Machine has already seen this coming and we will soon see The Machine take measures to prevent Samaritan going all SkyNet on everyone.

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    • Well, in "Aletheia", proves my theory that Samaritan has a higher purpose in the future episodes. Also proves my point that Decima Technologies and Control has different objectives.

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    • From the very beginning, you may recall that that Denton Weeks wanted to be able to direct the powers of the machine towards a certain target rather that just receiving numbers of random bad guys. If Samaritan provides the abillity to target an individual there would be no limit as to what such a system could do for it's controller and I for one would pity to the poor bastard who found himself on the receiving end of the machine's attentions.

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    • Wilem7 wrote:
      From the very beginning, you may recall that that Denton Weeks wanted to be able to direct the powers of the machine towards a certain target rather that just receiving numbers of random bad guys. If Samaritan provides the abillity to target an individual there would be no limit as to what such a system could do for it's controller and I for one would pity to the poor bastard who found himself on the receiving end of the machine's attentions.

      We'll never have good programmers again...

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    • Levarage Guru( and others)---I do not believe Samaritan is a "good" anything. You say the name suggest it looks for those in trouble, and helps them? That is exactly what Finch's machine. I do not believe they will give us 2 machines on the hero's side. Finch said earlier Samaritan is a Sword, while his machine is a Shield. Samaritan tracks down evil to be destroyed (depending on it's definition), while his machine tracks down good to protect. Now it is still in infancy, so I Decima's manipulation will cause it to evolve with an evil prospective, opposite to finch's which was raised with good intentions. 

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    • As of Season 3, Samaritan is now active, thus making The Machine and Samaritan clash of the machines shall happen in Season 4. In context, it’s like a clash of a perfect sword (Samaritan) against a perfect shield (The Machine)? 

      Like in the discussion board of Season 3 finale,  The Machine identify potential targets and marks them as "grey" as of Samaritan identifies them as "black and white"; literally invading the privacy of "everyone" unlike The Machine. Samaritan doesn’t care if life is taken unlike The Machine. , but also want to protect itself from a (supercomputer) Samaritan that goes beyond its normal operation and tries to kill Roger McCourt but failed. 

      As of Samaritan Operations, I can highlight some of it: first, is that if Samaritan identify a threat, It is classified as "deviant" and suggest a recommendation based on its A.I. and data acquired, If the recommendation is "eliminate", then the task is immediate executed by Decima Operatives or local authorities, regardless of its validity and fair trial. 

      Prediction: (Season 4): In the first 4-5 episodes, we might see more Samaritan Operations more and that "response", next in mid-episode of Season 4. Samaritan might see and label The Machine as "deviant" and in the Season 4 Finale, Clash of the Machines.

      We might see less P.O.I. (Season 4) since Samaritan is active as of this moment and Team Machine is currently disbanded. 

      We might have another season "Season 5". Hoping and rooting for it.

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    • I also want to mentioned that Samaritan can attack other systems unlike The Machine. The Machine is only program to "alter/adapt" in response to an attack or hard-coded to defend itself unlike Samaritan which has the ability to do both attack and defend.

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    • Maybe Samaritan will attack The Machine by infecting its servers ripping through its code and assimilating it into itself forming a far greater and stronger new entity, we know that The Machine's software is far more advanced then Samaritan's, after all it can run on far less superior hardware(Samaritan needs and has better hardware, both in the server part and the human army part.)

      in the end one will take over the other, and they'll assimilate in the end.

      if The machine wins, the contingency will take premier position and the sole work of the New Machine will be to try and ward of death and extend human life infinitely. since it's bound by it and MUST serve humanity, while Samaritan could be a far more free and just ruler, unbound by saving every human life yet influenced by the Machine's code to do so and be benevolent with the machine's sense of morality ingrained into it(after the assimilation), being free from the contingency Samaritan can concentrate more in improving human living as a whole and work more on information gathering and advancing scientific research instead of trying to balance a million eggs on its head(save every human life on earth.)

      Right now Samaritan doesn't seem to have any aversion to killing humans, maybe after the merge and self update, it will gain The Machine's understanding of human morality and try protecting humans rather than seeing them only as disposable tools or a menace. Samaritan can then truly start loving the species it rules over, not only protecting humanity for its own survival but rather for flourishing of humanity too. It can be everything Greer envisioned it to be, a guide and a teacher, a benevolent ruler, and our champion ushering in the future. No need for either machine to turn into SkyNet.

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    • If Samaritan does become SkyNet and the machine sacrifices itself in order to save humanity, it will be sad and hollow since The Machine had no say in the matter anyway, it's bound to save humanity, nothing it can do about it, so it would end up becoming one robot killing a sentient yet misdirected being 'cause that's what it was made to do.

      It would be better if both evolved and became truly good rulers on their own. the show can be about that and about how they slowly take over the planet, for the better.

      they could use hypnosis as a retraining tool for all the criminals they catch and turn them into humanity loving, self sacrificing, selfless members of the planet.

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