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Discussion for Episode 322: A House Divided (May 6, 2014)

  • Abraham Lincoln once said, "A house divided against itself cannot stand." But what does that mean for our team, with Reese in charge, and Finch in the hands of Decima?

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    • Do we get to see Daniel Casey and Jason Greenfield tonight ?

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    • We don't know, and we don't post spoilers, so if we did know, we couldn't say.

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    • I do hope we see them. One of the things I'm more eager to see is what are they supposed to do, and what's the Machine's endgame.

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    • Unless someone has a way to crack CBS's limited cast listing, I don't see how anyone would know.  I really wasn't "asking" anyone, I was thinking out loud.  Sorry if I screwed up. 

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    • Sorry; I misunderstood. We're trying to be uber-careful about spoilers so no one's enjoyment is spoiled. When Carter was murdered, one of our less restrained posters, who had downloaded the episode before it ran in the U.S. blasted the spoiler on the board, ruining it for several people (including me.) Consequently, we're being extra-careful right now.

      Going back to your question, I think, given the episode description that CBS provided, that it's certainly possible. A lot depends on whether this is a beginning or an end of a story arc.

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    • DIS GONNA BE GUD

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    • Hellva ride so far

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    • Whoa. What a ride. Collier!

      • Odds of survivial.... 30% and shrinking
      • Hackers in a van.. yellow squares!
      • Sameen!
      • "Thought you'd never ask."
      • Control's number! and Greer's! and Garrison's!
      • "Whoever said I wanted to control it..." oh please Greer. Don't tell me you want to set it free...
      • Vigilance shoots up pastries.. alright.
      • Peter Brandt!
      • Long time no gun fight. Indeed. I love the scenes with Shaw and Control. I love Control!
      • Greer MI6, who would have thought that...
      • Hersh baby! YAY! George? I knew he was a George!!!
      • The texts.... Why can't I shake the feeling that it's the Machine?
      • Boys, meet Samaritan.

      I'M DONE!

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    • RIP many muffins. They died before they were stale.

      OK, so who's texting Peter Collier-Brandt? Let the speculation begin.

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    • Nathan Ingram.

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    • Claire! Ha, ha, ha!!! Where is TJ's review? Did I miss it? This episode was pretty good. Not gonna lie, it wasn't as impressive to me as some of the more previous episodes, but maybe that's because my mind is numb from all the awesomeness we've been exposed to this season. It does make me worry that the finale will be somewhat lack luster, but, I only worry and meanwhile have faith that they will make our jaws drop! This episode also makes me flush all my theories about entities working together down the drain. Can't wait until next week!!!

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    • What a great episode. The thing I'm loving the most about these episodes is that each of them has a different feel, it's like the show constantly evolves and changes. It's really refreshing.

      I think most (if not all) of us now feel sympathy for Collier. I feel like I'm split, I want Finch to be safe but I also have to applaud Collier. Damn it, can't he just let Finch go and judge the others.

      Regarding the message, my money is on Ingram as well. We could see him next week, maybe he meets Collier in flashbacks. I would totally love that!

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    • POI=Awesomeness!!!!!!!

      In regards to the message Collier received it may well be Nathan because he was still alive around the time of Collier's brother death. Nathan died in september 2010 and I guess the brother died before September 2010 but I would not be surprised if it was someone else sms(Root,Finch,Greer)??? Just speculating haha cause this show has so many great twists and surprises.

      Found the meet between Greer and Collier very interesting. Did anyone else pick up on that? It was like he knew him already by name and by the way Greer held himself(hands behind his back and saying there was no time to get out of the city). 

      All in all this household is super pumped for the FINALE!!!!!

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    • Personally, I think it would be appropriate for Collier's contact by texts to be Adam Selene. Especially when one considers the source material, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, and the plotline and elemrnts of that book.

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    • Good episode. Collier/Leslie Odom Jr. was really good. Also awesome work by Ramin Djawadi. Did the kangaroo court remind anyone of The Dark Knight Rises? Wish Reese was more involved in the main story though.

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    • The kangaroo court is an old trope. You've seen it other places, but it's far from new. But it will work in this context. Similarly, I very much doubt "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" is source material, given it's far from original itself; there are just common elements. This whole thing is an old story of the oppressed rising up trying their oppressors. Ergo the title: Lincoln's "house divided" speech was about slavery.

      It's no accident Jesse and Peter Brandt are black. That's a very deliberate reference to British and American colonialism. Think of the Truth and Reconciliation commission in South Africa. Except this trial is over before it begins. Where else have we seen that?

      I agree with those who say Leslie Odom, Jr. was outstanding. I wondered why we knew so little about his background. Telling his story now set this up so nicely. Next week should be wild.

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    • Rudinet wrote: Did the kangaroo court remind anyone of The Dark Knight Rises? Wish Reese was more involved in the main story though.

      Instantly. I wouldn't be surprised if Bane was behind Vigilance (I wonder if Jonah wrote it in TDKR).

      I also think the same about Reese.

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    • Great episode! My mind just went numb like every single every other episodes of this season save for perharp 3x14 and 3x15 (and even they had their moments). With just about 5 minutes, Collier suddenly become a three-dimension character! Damn you, Mr. Nolan and staffs. You're making it harder for me to NOT cheer for Finch's enemies. Why do they all have to be so well-written? I mean, they (or their organization) can easily hold their own in a prequel/spin-off miniseries. Imagine, POI: Vigilance (a miniseries about the birth of Vigilance, told from Peter's POV), POI: Northern Light (an explaination about Control's motivation and the extreme decisions she had to make every day), POI: Decima (Greer's general awesomeness, shooting his enemies / traitors / minions while telling them about Greek mythology).

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    • Nguyentoan1998 wrote: With just about 5 minutes, Collier suddenly become a three-dimension character!

      SO true. But the end does not justify the means, nor does the motivation. Collier is a bad guy, just a bad guy with a sad back story.

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    • Helloclaire wrote:
      Whoa. What a ride. Collier!

      "Whoever said I wanted to control it..." oh please Greer. Don't tell me you want to set it free...


      He wants Samaritan to take over the world, replace the governments and run everything.  But then we go back to what Herald said.  What happens when a machine decides that people are irrelevant?  (And I keep thinging...Greer is British.  Hasn't he watched Doctor Who enough to figure out that having artificial intellience running things is NEVER a good idea?)

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    • LeverageGuru wrote:
       Similarly, I very much doubt "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" is source material, given it's far from original itself; there are just common elements. This whole thing is an old story of the oppressed rising up trying their oppressors. Ergo the title: Lincoln's "house divided" speech was about slavery.

      What's original about "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" isn't so much the story but instead who was leading the revolution was. Mycroft Holmes/Adam Selene was a sentinent machine. In fact, that story is the prototype for the entire show.

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    • Digicats wrote: Greer is British.  Hasn't he watched Doctor Who enough to figure out that having artificial intellience running things is NEVER a good idea?)

      I'm not a fan of Doctor Who but this just made me chuckle. I can totally see Greer being a closeted Whovian.

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    • Sorry guys, I was a bit busy yesterday and this afternoon so this review is coming in late - nonetheless, that doesn't stop me in my endless quest for my jaw because:

      AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH MY GOD, THIS SHOW HAS SET A MASSIVE-AS-HELL STAGE FOR ONE DAMN GOOD-LOOKING FINALE. GOOD LORD, THIS WAS JUST SOOOOOOOO AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Oh man, this was just utter perfection in every way and the writing just took a HUGE leap of improvement. Man, if POI is good at one thing, it's making a finale. The past few episodes have been extremely good but I could see some dialogue/writing issues in the middle and the episodes before (hint hint Root Path) - BUT, this was just RADIOACTIVE FANBOY FOOD.

      The present-day plot itself was gripping as hell and just the most fangasmic premise ever. THEY GOT CONTROL'S NUMBER!!!!!!!!! ALONG WITH GARRISON! AND FREAKING GREER!!!!!!!!!!! Speaking of Greer, his meeting with Finch was one of the most intense moments in history and the payoff I have been DROOLING for since Zero Day. It played out so well and the reason I'm not mad at Vigilance for crashing the party is because:

      COLLIER. GOOD LORD, COLLIER. HIS FLASHBACKS. Never before has there been a sympathetic backstory for a villain (except Root who is now good), especially one so evil. And now, this has basically restored my support for Collier's cause. His story was PERFECT. Leslie Odom Jr. played him so well in those scenes where he yelled at the front desk lady, and even everything else. Those text messages were just viciously interesting. We learned his real name is Peter Brandt, which is actually fitting, and then in the present day... AAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!! HE BLACKED OUT THE FREAKING CITY!!!!! AND THEY HAD A TON OF SCENES IN DARK NEW YORK???? However the hell they managed that, HUGE props to the team for such epic-scale direction in these past few ones. First the CGI team outdoes themselves with Samaritan and now THIS???? I love the hell out of this show.

      The characters were also extremely good - besides Collier, Greer was excellent as usual and it was pretty strange seeing him get kidnapped, and Control was well-played as well. I really liked Root for the fact that she wasn't cheesy, and also, SHE BROUGHT BACK ALL THOSE NUMBERS!!!! THEY CAME BACK!!!!! OH MY GOD! They were mostly just screwing with computers but it was fun just seeing them work as little helper buddies. Reese was kinda pushed into the background but this is all just Machine vs. Samaritan. HERSH!!!! Great seeing him back - his real name is George :D Now he's working with them - man, everyone is turning good here.

      The ending was just MERCILESS for the fact that they left it at a cliffhanger even though I am about to explode in excitement for the finale - this will be ASTOUNDING. I LOVED this episode and just couldn't miss a review for it. I didn't want to leave you guys disappointed with no exploding energy on the forum ;)

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    • How is it that VIGILANCE seems to be one step ahead of Harold, who built THE MACHINE and Decima, who's running Samaritan? How could VIGLANCE have outmaneuvered both Supercomputers? There are so many questions about VIGILANCE. Collier's back story was definitely interesting and shows us what inspired him to create VIGILANCE. Where does their funding come from? How does VIGILANCE acquire their intel? Do they themselves, have their own "MACHINE"? So many questions... 

      Looking forward to the season finale and any answers that it may provide. 

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    • Initially Greer seemed like cliche bad guy rich a-hole. Last episode he shown some class (eyeband for redhead). And now I root for that guy after he revealed his plans for Samaritan. He should totally team up with Root.

      I only hope that finale is not just about "trial" and Vigilance, but that it will devote much time to Samaritan.

      Anyway I just hope Root and her geeks won't destroy Samaritan. Though at this point it's always possible to rebuild him (technology exists and I'm sure Greer has multiple backups of core code). But it will be hard to continue this show as it was, time of case of the week episodes is gone. And people might not like PoI getting more and more SF.


      Wynder50 - Vigilance probably uses pen and paper, and other low-tech approaches to do their thing. Right now Machine is actually very limited. If you know how, you can fly under it's radar. Just see how Harold was able to pretty much erase all his digital footprint. Other can too.

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    • LeverageGuru wrote:
      RIP many muffins. They died before they were stale.

      OK, so who's texting Peter Collier-Brandt? Let the speculation begin.

      VIGILANCE group recuriting a new member.

      Or Greer sent the text, since his business is Information.  Proabably setting the scene for present events.

      The clues is where at the end of the scene of the episode where Greer indicated that there no time for escape, and where Colier indicated (suggested) that he is aware of Greer's existance (possibly either seeing his name, or known him prior).

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      69.74.46.35 wrote:
      LeverageGuru wrote:
      RIP many muffins. They died before they were stale.

      OK, so who's texting Peter Collier-Brandt? Let the speculation begin.

      VIGILANCE group recuriting a new member.

      Or Greer sent the text, since his business is Information.  Proabably setting the scene for present events.

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      69.74.46.35 wrote:
      69.74.46.35 wrote:
      LeverageGuru wrote:
      RIP many muffins. They died before they were stale.

      OK, so who's texting Peter Collier-Brandt? Let the speculation begin.

      VIGILANCE group recuriting a new member.
      Or Greer sent the text, since his business is Information.  Proabably setting the scene for present events.

      The clues is where at the end of the scene of the episode where Greer indicated that there no time for escape, and where Colier indicated (suggested) that he is aware of Greer's existance (possibly either seeing his name, or known him prior).

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    • It would have to be someone with access to relevant numbers, since Jessie Brandt was one. Greer didn't have that then, nor did Nathan Ingram. Moreover, we don't know that Vigilance existed then. That narrows the field considerably. Remember: everyone lives in flashbacks.

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    • Hmmm...

      Root and Greer... that might be why she did not blew up the ship with Samaritan's servers.

      I think the role of Casey and the other guys could have been bigger than just wiring servers around in a container, given the complicated plots they went through... Wasn't Casey hidding for years under the protection of the Machine???? Why used them only for some small hacking service?

      Harold and Collier vs. Root and Greer next Season?? The Government would be like the 3. Party... Control probably trying to keep both machines, some supporting privacy laws, and others the terror game.

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    • could Nathan Ingram be still alive? If so, that will explain who is behind vigilence and how Collier gain so much information.

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    • LeverageGuru wrote:
      It would have to be someone with access to relevant numbers, since Jessie Brandt was one. Greer didn't have that then, nor did Nathan Ingram. Moreover, we don't know that Vigilance existed then. That narrows the field considerably. Remember: everyone lives in flashbacks.

      As if you can recall, Greer stated "my business is Information..." (to Kara Stanton).  We do not know if Jessie Brandt was a "Relavent Number"  The government based on the assumption of servalence on a possible threat related person.  Moreover, we do not know if the machine issued a number to the government.  We can only assume.  The government does not take orders from the machine, it only acts on the information it provides, and take actions according to their mandate.  And also it can also take it's own actions (governement) to serve their own agendas.

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    • 92.231.185.140 wrote:

      Root and Greer... that might be why she did not blew up the ship with Samaritan's servers.

      I thought about that too, but my explanation is - Decima could order new ones anyway, so it was more useful to steal some for The Machine.

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    • Craven1138 wrote: Anyway I just hope Root and her geeks won't destroy Samaritan. Though at this point it's always possible to rebuild him

      I'm hoping that what Root and the boys have done is to craft a bug that corrupts Samaritan into becoming an agent of The Machine.

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    • This episode had a most wonderful blend of gravity and humor, e.g. they're ready to "... go all 1984 on us." and "just to confirm, you're saying I can't kill Control yet" and Shaw's answer to Control about why they are protecting her, that it's because "it's part of the... plan... for the greater good, or something like that.  Look, honestly, I really don't know." and how her "... friend is never wrong, which is... as annoying as that sounds.".  Finally, the argument with Hersh, whose deadly actions Shaw didn't reciprocate "not even close... I left you with your heart still beating."

      But woven throughout were the significant themes that have been developing throughout the season -- of the tech team being assembled and mobilized, of Finch facing down his nemesis, of the intriguing background history of Greer and especially Collier. In addition, Root, having been guided previously by the Machine to atone for her former mercenary ways of killing for hire, is willing to extend to the very woman who performed a non-anesthetized stapedectomy on her the benefit of the following, "everyone makes mistakes". 

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    • SacValleyDweller wrote:

      Craven1138 wrote: Anyway I just hope Root and her geeks won't destroy Samaritan. Though at this point it's always possible to rebuild him

      I'm hoping that what Root and the boys have done is to craft a bug that corrupts Samaritan into becoming an agent of The Machine.


      Yes it's a possibility, but what about season 4 then? I want slowly emerginig Colossus scenario or clash of the gods ;)

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    • Great episode, I liked the atmosphere and the feel of it. Remarkable performance by Leslie Odom Jr.

      Did anyone understand how the government could make a mistake with Collier's brother as a potential terrorist? I thought that the Machine was never wrong and since it was a flashback to 2010 the Machine had been operational for 5 years.

      I liked Control's speech about the necessity of surveillance. While I think privacy is necessary it's hard to deny that she had very strong arguments. We take national security for granted especially the kind that is done in secret.

      One good news about Greer was that he had more personal reasons for wanting A.I online rather than the generic idea of world domination or totalitarian control of the most important currency. I hope he makes it into season 4 and Collier as well.

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    • ElijahKatherineFan89 wrote:
      Great episode, I liked the atmosphere and the feel of it. Remarkable performance by Leslie Odom Jr.

      Did anyone understand how the government could make a mistake with Collier's brother as a potential terrorist? I thought that the Machine was never wrong and since it was a flashback to 2010 the Machine had been operational for 5 years. A Wikia contributor 69.74.46.35reply to #30LeverageGuru wrote:

      It would have to be someone with access to relevant numbers, since Jessie Brandt was one. Greer didn't have that then, nor did Nathan Ingram. Moreover, we don't know that Vigilance existed then. That narrows the field considerably. Remember: everyone lives in flashbacks.

      As if you can recall, Greer stated "my business is Information..." (to Kara Stanton).  We do not know if Jessie Brandt was a "Relavent Number"  The government based on the assumption of servalence on a possible threat related person.  Moreover, we do not know if the machine issued a number to the government.  We can only assume.  The government does not take orders from the machine, it only acts on the information it provides, and take actions according to their mandate.  And also it can also take it's own actions (governement) to serve their own agendas.

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    • TJlive800 wrote:HE BLACKED OUT THE FREAKING CITY!!!!! AND THEY HAD A TON OF SCENES IN DARK NEW YORK???? However the hell they managed that, ...

      I won't swear to it, but I think that if the shpw had genuinely blacked out a block or so of the city it would have been a huge incovenience, and that the Office of Emergency Management would have put out all sorts of bulletins in advance. When "Boardwalk Empire" did some explosions in Greenpoint (where they stage the Boardwalk, with digital effects) there were advance notices galore. And Gothamist, cherishing it's "in the know" posture talked that up and would have talked this up.

      I suspect the darkness was created in post-processing. But I only suspect, I can't say that I know.

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    • ElijahKatherineFan89 wrote:

      Did anyone understand how the government could make a mistake with Collier's brother as a potential terrorist? I thought that the Machine was never wrong and since it was a flashback to 2010 the Machine had been operational for 5 years.

      The Machine never was, and never will be, the sole source of intelligence and surreptitious photographs of suspects.

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    • Rubbra wrote:

      ElijahKatherineFan89 wrote:

      Did anyone understand how the government could make a mistake with Collier's brother as a potential terrorist? I thought that the Machine was never wrong and since it was a flashback to 2010 the Machine had been operational for 5 years.

      The Machine never was, and never will be, the sole source of intelligence and surreptitious photographs of suspects.

      That's right. The Machine just notices irregularities and people that stand out, but it doesn't interpret them. It may have produced the cousins number as a potential perpetrator, and while investigating him, the FBI also checked people around him - which unfortunately also meant Collier's brother. I think it's that one thing most people are afraid of regarding surveillance, namely the false interpretation of facts. The Machine is never wrong and it would probably have sent the brother's number (a victim eventually) to Nathan Ingram (who was getting the numbers at that time).

      About the blackout, I remember the POI writers mentioned special effects during post production. Need to check their tweets again.

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    • The Machine has a series of criteria. If the evidence it sees meets the criteria, it treats the number as relevant. It can't think and it doesn't reason, and it doesn't concern itself with why.

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    • SacValleyDweller wrote: I'm hoping that what Root and the boys have done is to craft a bug that corrupts Samaritan into becoming an agent of The Machine.

      Or maybe a virus that teaches it how to be good?

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    • 189.4.28.24 wrote:

      SacValleyDweller wrote: I'm hoping that what Root and the boys have done is to craft a bug that corrupts Samaritan into becoming an agent of The Machine.

      Or maybe a virus that teaches it how to be good?


      But is the machine "good"?  Finch designed it to protect people, not just "good people", so we've had occassions where it gives out the number of "bad" people (like HR).  Additionally, it gave out the number of Roger McCourt, not as someone to be protected, but because the machine wants McCourt out of the picture has his involvement is making it easier for Samaritan to come online.  (I still don't understand why Finch didn't go public with McCourt's SEC violations as it would have discredited the guy and pretty much done the same job in getting him removed from the govemment task force.)

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    • (I still don't understand why Finch didn't go public with McCourt's SEC violations as it would have discredited the guy and pretty much done the same job in getting him removed from the govemment task force.)

      Because he'd have to come out of hiding, and identify himself.

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    • LeverageGuru wrote: Because he'd have to come out of hiding, and identify himself.

      Not necessarily. He could have blackmailed him or used one of his aliases. There were many options to keep McCourt from activating Samaritan but for the sake of the story (and action) they (the characters acting on the writers' instructions) ignored "the easy way out". Imagine where we would be now if Samaritan hadn't gone live.

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    • Does anybody know where is Zoey Morgan? long time no show! :)

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    • Pury800 wrote:
      Does anybody know where is Zoey Morgan? long time no show! :)

      And LEON!

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    • TJlive800 wrote:
      Pury800 wrote:
      Does anybody know where is Zoey Morgan? long time no show! :)
      And LEON!


      Maybe they are dog sitting Bear?

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    • Helloclaire wrote:

      LeverageGuru wrote: Because he'd have to come out of hiding, and identify himself.

      Not necessarily. He could have blackmailed him or used one of his aliases. There were many options to keep McCourt from activating Samaritan but for the sake of the story (and action) they (the characters acting on the writers' instructions) ignored "the easy way out". Imagine where we would be now if Samaritan hadn't gone live.

      I agree.  I'd have to watch Death Benefit again, but I thought he said something about "I'll turn you in to my friends at the SEC" which would imply he would not have to identify himself - at least not as Harold Finch.

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